{"id":6338,"date":"2024-02-07T10:57:53","date_gmt":"2024-02-07T13:57:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.bettymilan.com.br\/?p=6338"},"modified":"2024-02-09T08:15:46","modified_gmt":"2024-02-09T11:15:46","slug":"an-interview-with-betty-milan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bettymilan.com.br\/en\/an-interview-with-betty-milan\/","title":{"rendered":"An Interview with Betty Milan, Washington Independent"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"titulo-artigo\">An Interview with Betty Milan<\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>The multilingual writer talks her Lebanese heritage, \u201cself-xenophobia,\u201d and the work of Jacques Lacan.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Novelist, essayist, and playwright\u00a0Betty Milan, the author of 30 books, has received accolades for her writing both in her native Brazil and in France, her adopted country.\u00a0<em>Analyzed by Lacan<\/em><em>,\u00a0<\/em>published in November by Bloomsbury, brings to English-speaking audiences two of her most celebrated works \u2014 both featuring French psychoanalyst and psychiatrist\u00a0Jacques Lacan\u00a0\u2014 the memoir\u00a0<em>Why Lacan?,\u00a0<\/em>translated by Chris Vanderwees, and the play\u00a0<em>Goodbye Doctor<\/em>,<em>\u00a0<\/em>translated by Clifford E. Landers. In 2022, the play was adapted for the screen in France by director Richard Ledes under the title \u201cAdieu Lacan.\u201d<em>\u00a0<\/em>Milan answered my questions here in an enchanting combination of English, Portuguese, and French.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>What drew you to the subject of Lacan?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I studied medicine, specializing in psychiatry. I went to study with Lacan and was analyzed by him in France in the 1970s. My sessions brought to light issues such as \u201cself-xenophobia\u201d and gender, which are themes in my books.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>In\u00a0<em>Analyzed by Lacan,<\/em>\u00a0you write that by encouraging you to talk about your origins, Lacan sent you \u201cback to the history hidden by [your] ancestors\u201d and allowed you to come to terms with your background. Can you elaborate?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m the descendant of immigrants who left Lebanon at the end of the 19th century and settled in S\u00e3o Paulo. My identity was forged first by them and by Afro-Brazilian culture, and then by the culture I adopted as my own, that of France. I\u2019m a Franco-Brazilian of Lebanese origin.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>You write that Lacan had analysands speak in their native language even when he didn\u2019t understand, because he thought it was important for them to express themselves in their mother tongue. Language is an issue in\u00a0<em>Goodbye Doctor<\/em>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yes, the play is structured around the sessions of Seriema with the doctor. Seriema lives the drama of a Western descendant of people from the Middle East. She has had two miscarriages, and her husband has left her. Now she is living in France.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Seriema says: \u201cI never know if I\u2019m speaking correctly\u2026I\u2019m constantly translating from one language to another.\u201d She has lost not only her husband, but also her native country, Brazil. The struggle to speak French emphasizes her sense of alienation. But in Brazil, she was marginalized, too, right?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yes, cultural difference is a key. Motherhood seems impossible for her. Is it because she cannot identify with the women in her family, or is there some other reason?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>In the play, the doctor explains: \u201cPregnancy was a torture in her family. Either the woman gave birth to a firstborn male, or she was looked down upon. The woman was treated unjustly merely for being a woman.\u201d So, issues of sex and culture are intertwined.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But through analysis, Seriema discovers why she cannot give birth \u2014 namely, an unconscious desire to satisfy her father, who didn\u2019t authorize her to conceive. Gradually, she ceases to be the victim of her unconscious [and] grasps the possibility of choosing a father for her child, and thus of becoming a mother.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>In\u00a0<em>Why Lacan?,\u00a0<\/em>you mention that when the analysand had said what the doctor deemed essential, he stopped the session.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Although Lacan\u2019s theories are widely known, his clinical methods are not. Lacan made extensive use of the so-called \u201cshort session.\u201d The time of the session was variable. Lacan was not guided by the time of Kronos, the time of the clock, but that of Kairos, the moment of opportunity. What counted for him was the discourse of the analysand, not the number of minutes that passed.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>What is the significance of this to your writing?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Lacanian revolution influenced not only my themes but also my style \u2014 the orality of it, the \u201cshort session.\u201d My texts are rapid-fire, written to be heard.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is\u00a0<em>Goodbye Doctor\u00a0<\/em>autobiographical?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Good fiction cannot be completely\u00a0autobiographical. With regard to both the protagonist and the doctor, there\u2019s a great deal of invention.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is immigration always a theme in your writing?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve written two novels that have to do with immigration,\u00a0<em>Lacan\u2019s Parrot<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0<em>Ba<\/em><em>a<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/48OR5bP\"><em>l<\/em><\/a>. As I explained in an article for the European Journal of Psychoanalysis<em>,\u00a0<\/em>the name of the first novel is an\u00a0allusion to a meeting of cultures: the Brazilian parrot and the European doctor. It follows the journey of the heroine, a Middle Eastern woman, to a conscious awakening to her own identity, including her womanhood. It\u2019s not a collection of autobiographical reminiscences but rather an historical panorama of the immigrants who, in the 19th and early 20th centuries, moved from Lebanon to Brazil.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Baal\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><strong>is also the story of an immigrant family. The grandfather, Omar, escapes conflict in the Middle East and builds an empire in the West. However, he fails to teach his daughter to be a strong, independent woman who can carry on his legacy.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yes, I was honored with the Cedar of Lebanon for\u00a0<em>Baal\u00a0<\/em>in Beirut by the Lebanese Diaspora Energy Project, which brings together prominent people of Lebanese origin. I also wrote two novels inspired by my mother,\u00a0<em>A M\u00e3e Eterna<\/em><em>\u00a0<\/em>[<em>The Eternal Mother<\/em>] and\u00a0<em>Heresia<\/em><em>\u00a0<\/em>[<em>Heresy<\/em>].<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>G<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>oodbye Doctor<\/em><\/strong><strong>\u00a0was originally written in Portuguese. How do you feel about the French film adaptation?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>First, the play was translated into English by Cliff Landers, an excellent translator, with whom I worked closely. I did the French translation myself with my companion, Jean Sarzana, who\u2019s also a writer. I like the film very much. Richard Ledes, the director, understands the \u201cLacanian revolution\u201d and wanted to depict the drama of transference. The film is now available through streaming, and I hope it will become a stage play.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you write in Portuguese or French?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I tend to write in Portuguese, then work with a translator on the French version. Today, French is almost a native language for me. I also work with a translator on the English text. I live part-time in both Brazil and France, and going from one country to the other inspires me to rewrite and retouch my texts so that they\u2019ll speak to different audiences.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"rodape\">_______<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"rodape\"><em> B\u00e1rbara Mujica, Washington Independent, 30\/01\/2024<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>B\u00e1rbara Mujica\u00a0is a novelist, essayist, short-story writer, and critic. Her latest novel,\u00a0<\/em>Miss del R\u00edo<em>, based on the life of Mexican movie star Dolores del R\u00edo, was named one of the best books of 2022 by Library Journal and one of the five best recent historical novels by the Washington Post. Mujica\u2019s novel\u00a0<\/em>Frida<em>, based on the tumultuous relationship between Frida Kahlo and Diego Rivera, was an international bestseller published in 18 languages.\u00a0<\/em>Sister Teresa<em>, based on the life of the Spanish saint Teresa de Avila, was adapted for the stage by the Actors Studio in Los Angeles. Her novel\u00a0<\/em>I Am Venus<em>\u00a0revolves around the identity of the mysterious model for the Rokeby Venus, the only extant female nude by\u00a0Spanish painter Diego Vel\u00e1zquez. Mujica\u2019s story collections are\u00a0<\/em>Imagining Iraq<em>, an Amazon bestseller,\u00a0<\/em>Far from My Mother\u2019s Home<em>, and\u00a0<\/em>Sanchez across the Street<em>. Her\u00a0<\/em>Collateral Damage: Women Write about War<em>\u00a0is a compendium of writings on the trauma of war. Mujica has won numerous prizes for her writing, including the E.L. Doctorow International Fiction Competition, the Pangolin Prize, and the Pioneer Prize from Dialogue on Diversity. She is a two-time Pushcart nominee. She is also a professor emerita at Georgetown University who specializes in early modern Spain and is the author of numerous books and articles on Spanish theater, mysticism, the counterreformation, and women\u2019s writing. In 2022, her book\u00a0<\/em>Women Religious and Epistolary Exchange in the Carmelite Reform<em>\u00a0won the GEMELA Prize for best book of the year on early modern Hispanic women.<\/em><br \/>\n<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An Interview with Betty Milan &nbsp; The multilingual writer talks her Lebanese heritage, \u201cself-xenophobia,\u201d and the work of Jacques Lacan. &nbsp; Novelist, essayist, and playwright\u00a0Betty Milan, the author of 30 books, has received accolades for her writing both in her native Brazil and in France, her adopted country.\u00a0Analyzed by Lacan,\u00a0published in November by Bloomsbury, brings &hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[47,102,107,29],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6338","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-sobre-as-obras-bmf","category-betty-fala","category-midia-bmf-obra","category-entrevistas"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>An Interview with Betty Milan, Washington Independent | Betty Milan<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"An Interview with Betty Milan &nbsp; 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